Seriously? Seriously? I mean I have an Android phone, 2.0 + 800Mhz processor is nice but Seriously? The best network? I want to barf. I am slowly losing faith in this site. There are way more impressive things happening in wireless. This phone is an awful design mess, and I am sure we will see much more impressive Droid 2.0 phones to come.
And for the love of God, has everyone forgotten who is making the phone? When was the last time Moto pumped out something that does not fall apart with hardware issues? (battery, screens, keys)
Why don't you do a search on Motorola here on Gizmodo and you will see that every article before the Cliq and the Droid were pictured with a flaming Moto symbol that looked like a plunging meteoroid coming down to the ground.
If they didn't like it they would flame it. The people that risked their jobs at Motorola that joined the Android group were seriously committed and were willing to work hard and take risks.
Gizmodo has always been honest about Moto, they say right here the camera is shit, which is something many can't deal with. But they gave the phone an honest review. Before you accuse Gizmodo of being *Moto* fanboys you better do your research. #motoroladroid
@ndragisic: Yes. The best network. I have yet to see anyone prove otherwise.
You say "... I am sure we will see much more impressive Droid 2.0 phones to come."
Probably. Hence Matt saying:
"If Droid is merely the first in a new wave, we have a lot to be excited about."
And then you delight us with:
"And for the love of God, has everyone forgotten who is making the phone?"
A lot of people felt this way about Apple before they became relevant again post iMac. The point being companies can and do turn it around.
Now that my flame-fanning quota is met I think I'm good for the day. #motoroladroid
@Ultraorange: Have no idea what the hype is about this Droid phone either. Way more mehs than positives in the review. The second best smartphone? It's like they think there aren't any other smartphones besides the iPhone to compare to. That's a guaranteed second place. And being able to type faster on the touchscreen than the physical keyboard? The whole design is a throwaway then, since the whole sliding form factor and fatter dimensions is for that sole purpose.
This is an interim product, like the G1, and fails at a lot of things software-wise. But this being 2.0 and not 1.0, there should be higher expectations about stability. And Android 2.0 is far from exclusive. And moto shouldn't be given a pat on the back for making subpar hardware when you can install Android on another phone and have instantly the same phone with much better hardware. Let me see, hardware wise: keyboard sucks, camera sucks, video sucks, buttons suck, looks suck (to many people), sliding form factor sucks because the keyboard sucks and makes it absolutely pointless while splitting the phone into two slabs for no real purpose, battery is mediocre because they could have used that extra space for a bigger battery and one piece solid compact design that they wasted for a throwaway qwerty, etc. So if moto handled hardware completely, then moto failed again miserably in that respect.
This crap hype for Moto is just like when they teamed up with Kodak for the ZN5 with a 5 megapixel camera, which I know is crap because I owned one. Moto was bleeding a year ago too, and the buzz was "is this the killer phone that will resurrect Moto from Razr hell?" Fat chance. Then the media completely forgot about it. The software and hardware were both terrible on that thing, and the 5 megapixel camera was a joke. History is repeating itself with the Droid. Too many signs are pointing in that direction. #motoroladroid
@Brian Lam: Look android 2.0 will be out on alot of phones soon, it doesn't make this phone better and that is what the review should say.
Or at least change the heading to what I got out of it the second best looking smart phone compared to the iphone and a better screen but not an iphone.
That is the comparison that is really boils down to, check your headlines alot of them are starting to no jive with the content of the article. #motoroladroid
@ChocoboSandwich: I have faith in android hell I didn't pick it up because of the lack of upgrade rumors for the g1. But I'm still waiting on it to get some slickness.
Webos and Iphone have some slickness. Google buy up palm and mash webos and android into some hotness. Yeah I know never gonna happen.
Okay, had a chance to play with one (verizon rep had one and let me play) and it is very solid and quite good looking better then the pictures appear but aside from the OS being open, having never used Android it's extremely unintuitive, plus the contract rates are the same or more expensive as AT&Ts. The way I see it is this will appeal to those who care about openness and those who can't or wont leave verizon but no one else. It will sell like mad on verizon but it won't pull any significant portion of iPhone customers.
@lane3128001: I'm an iPhone user. I live in NYC. Literally 85% of my phone calls are either failed connections, or lost connections. 3G is also not impressive in the NY area. I do love my iPhone hardware, but AT&Ts service really sucks for the asking price. Would be great to have a slick phone on a more reliable network. Also would be nice to have an alternative to the iPhone with just as much of a dev community. I'd totally get a Droid.
here's my question (sorry if it's been asked): if you're using Google Voice do you loose free Verizon mobile to mobile (and I don't want to do the "add your number to your friends and family funtime circle for free calls for life" trick)?
ps - my inner child wants to punch someone at Moto right in their Metal Slug for not putting the D-pad on the left side... even from a non-emulator standpoint I feel like the keyboard has an odd offset with the chin and the D-pad on the left. #motoroladroid
Although I respect your opinion about mobile Safari, I disagree with your opinion. Yes, mobile Safari does an excellent job rendering most multi-column webpages, but requires too much scrolling, panning, and zooming due to the small screen size. On a scale of ten, mobile Safari gets an 8 for multi-column pages. Can't go higher due to the lack of Flash. Love it, or abhor it, Flash is integral to the full internet experience.
Where mobile Safari leaves a lot to be desired is displaying single column pages such as Craigslist, and some mobile pages not specifcially designed for mobile Safari. In many cases, mobile Safari displays single column pages with too small a font size to read comfortably even in landscape mode. In portrait mode, basically unreadable. Double tap zoom will not increase the text size substantially, so you are forced to use pinch zoom. Major problem with pinch zoom is the text does not reflow when increased, and the result is the dreaded horizontal scrolling to read each line. If the webpage developer returns and adds a viewport META tag to the page, mobile Safari can display the pages at a comfortable text size without horizontal scrolling, but most page owners have not included this META tag. Although most multi-column pages display with a comfortable text size without horizontal scrolling on mobile Safari, I have encounted some two column pages on major sites that required pinch zoom, and the resultant horizontal scrolling of each line to read comfortably.
I have not had the opportunity to use the Droid. The specs are impressive, and that large screen beckons use. I have used Android 1.5 on the Archos 5 IMT with its 4.8" screen, and I am impressed with the browser. I understand many like multi-touch, but for me, multi-touch on a small screen is awkward, bordering on gimmicky. I respect the opinion of all you multi-touch fans; however, I prefer the virtual buttons at the bottom of the Archos's screen. You can zoom by just pressing the appropriate button, and the zoom control is not blocking the page like multi-touch gesture do. Multi-touch vs. icon zoom controls are certainly a personal preference. Where the Archos's browser slaps mobile Safari is its contant text re-wrapping with each zoom level. The result is reading those single column, and mobile sites that many prefer on small screen devices at a comfortable text size without the dreaded horizontal scrolling. The text reflows when zooming also work on multi-colmn pages as well. Mobile Safari may be an 8 or better for full desktop pages, but is about a 2 for some single column pages, and some non-iphone specific mobile sites.
I respect the reviewer's opinion, just wanted to post a differing opinion based on extensive use of many mobile browsers including mobile Safari (iPod touch), IE, NetFront, Opera, Opera Mini, Skyfire, and the new browser on the Archos 5 IMT. #android20review
Hey, since the screen resolution is so much higher than previous Android phones - are the current crop of Android Market apps going to scale without a bunch of distortion? #motoroladroid
isnt the beauty of an Android phone the ability to upgrade or replace the stock software...the phone has all the tools to be great...if not greater than certain other phones...how long until a decent media player app is released? is that really a drawback...i thought the camera on my centro was bad and then there was a app that used the sensors full resolution...hell there were apps that turned its aged UI into snappy touch friendly eye candy...this phone has all the features you could want...and none of the drawbacks of its competitors...let me know when someone patches Apple's stubborness #motoroladroid
@Paper-Cut: Make up your mind? I think the best fans are the ones who can still find flaws in what they like. Otherwise, you become a fanboy. #motoroladroid
@InsanePenguin: it's actually for the nitpicking that i, for one, read so many different reviews of the same product. if everyone just stayed with the basics, and didn't get down and dirty we wouldn't learn anything new from reading various takes. #motoroladroid
@back_at_it: I agree. I want to hear all the nit picky stuff. It seems, all tolled, they weren't enough of a big deal for Matt to give this a negative review. It's not about adding up all the pluses and minuses one for one. They have a weight to them. I have my own priorities. There could be some of those things that don't matter much to the reviewer that would bug the crap out of me. I'm glad he didn't edit just for what he thought was a big deal. #motoroladroid
@Reil: Save Stars, Save Peach: It doesn't have anything to do with his nitpicking. The caption for the review said this was the second best phone next to the iPhone, yet the review seems to be one that would rate it a 7/10. #motoroladroid
That picture doesn't look all that bad, thus I don't understand why the camera is "utter garbage". Same with the video camera, like someone already said. You're filming in a terrible location. #motoroladroid
@disinfectant: Video's fine, other than the app's sluggishness. With stills, if you click on the picture, it'll make it bigger, and you can see serious noise on the sign on the left, even in what was actually a decently lit scene. #motoroladroid
You dismissed the video quality by saying, "it's not terrible". Then you gave us sample video from an environment that would be tricky by any camera phone's standards: Dark, with lots of fast motion.
That's a questionable choice for the one and only provided sample in the review. I'd like to see a more realistic sample - like someone talking, or kids playing at a park, or a cat playing a piano, or Paris Hilton eating a sausage. #motoroladroid
@ProfessionalGun: Video's fine, it's not amazing (like I said), but no problems there--that it handled that scene okay, besides the app itself being sluggish, is a good thing. It's the stills that are the problem. #motoroladroid
Ha. Lack of multimedia synching will kill sales to the low-tech user. Good only for hot sh!t tech-nerds and tinkerers who have nothing better to do with their time than to fool around loading videos and music. Low-tech users will hate it. Yeah, drag and drop is just lovely. Lovely for cavemen. Cavemen who can't possibly fathom why iPods and iPhones became high-selling standards. iTunes is the key.
Who cares about a poll from this site. Only tech heads who come to internet sites like this. 90% of the low-tech world who have more important things to do prefer using sync software, iTunes or otherwise. #android20review
@ConstableOdo1: C'mon. Say shit like a man. Scream it out. If you're going to bash or troll, do it proudly! Gizmodo doesn't censor curses. #android20review
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And for the love of God, has everyone forgotten who is making the phone? When was the last time Moto pumped out something that does not fall apart with hardware issues? (battery, screens, keys)
Fanboys. #motoroladroid
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Why don't you do a search on Motorola here on Gizmodo and you will see that every article before the Cliq and the Droid were pictured with a flaming Moto symbol that looked like a plunging meteoroid coming down to the ground.
If they didn't like it they would flame it. The people that risked their jobs at Motorola that joined the Android group were seriously committed and were willing to work hard and take risks.
Gizmodo has always been honest about Moto, they say right here the camera is shit, which is something many can't deal with. But they gave the phone an honest review. Before you accuse Gizmodo of being *Moto* fanboys you better do your research. #motoroladroid
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You say "... I am sure we will see much more impressive Droid 2.0 phones to come."
Probably. Hence Matt saying:
"If Droid is merely the first in a new wave, we have a lot to be excited about."
And then you delight us with:
"And for the love of God, has everyone forgotten who is making the phone?"
A lot of people felt this way about Apple before they became relevant again post iMac. The point being companies can and do turn it around.
Now that my flame-fanning quota is met I think I'm good for the day. #motoroladroid
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so it stutters the gps sucks as does the camera, the keyboard is meh as is the battery.
So the display and the design are what make this the phone to own? Oris it just the best you can get on android?
I would say the big kicker against is verizon their pricing sucks. #motoroladroid
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This is an interim product, like the G1, and fails at a lot of things software-wise. But this being 2.0 and not 1.0, there should be higher expectations about stability. And Android 2.0 is far from exclusive. And moto shouldn't be given a pat on the back for making subpar hardware when you can install Android on another phone and have instantly the same phone with much better hardware. Let me see, hardware wise: keyboard sucks, camera sucks, video sucks, buttons suck, looks suck (to many people), sliding form factor sucks because the keyboard sucks and makes it absolutely pointless while splitting the phone into two slabs for no real purpose, battery is mediocre because they could have used that extra space for a bigger battery and one piece solid compact design that they wasted for a throwaway qwerty, etc. So if moto handled hardware completely, then moto failed again miserably in that respect.
This crap hype for Moto is just like when they teamed up with Kodak for the ZN5 with a 5 megapixel camera, which I know is crap because I owned one. Moto was bleeding a year ago too, and the buzz was "is this the killer phone that will resurrect Moto from Razr hell?" Fat chance. Then the media completely forgot about it. The software and hardware were both terrible on that thing, and the 5 megapixel camera was a joke. History is repeating itself with the Droid. Too many signs are pointing in that direction. #motoroladroid
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Or at least change the heading to what I got out of it the second best looking smart phone compared to the iphone and a better screen but not an iphone.
That is the comparison that is really boils down to, check your headlines alot of them are starting to no jive with the content of the article. #motoroladroid
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Webos and Iphone have some slickness. Google buy up palm and mash webos and android into some hotness. Yeah I know never gonna happen.
Google buy Palm. #motoroladroid
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ps - my inner child wants to punch someone at Moto right in their Metal Slug for not putting the D-pad on the left side... even from a non-emulator standpoint I feel like the keyboard has an odd offset with the chin and the D-pad on the left. #motoroladroid
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Where mobile Safari leaves a lot to be desired is displaying single column pages such as Craigslist, and some mobile pages not specifcially designed for mobile Safari. In many cases, mobile Safari displays single column pages with too small a font size to read comfortably even in landscape mode. In portrait mode, basically unreadable. Double tap zoom will not increase the text size substantially, so you are forced to use pinch zoom. Major problem with pinch zoom is the text does not reflow when increased, and the result is the dreaded horizontal scrolling to read each line. If the webpage developer returns and adds a viewport META tag to the page, mobile Safari can display the pages at a comfortable text size without horizontal scrolling, but most page owners have not included this META tag. Although most multi-column pages display with a comfortable text size without horizontal scrolling on mobile Safari, I have encounted some two column pages on major sites that required pinch zoom, and the resultant horizontal scrolling of each line to read comfortably.
I have not had the opportunity to use the Droid. The specs are impressive, and that large screen beckons use. I have used Android 1.5 on the Archos 5 IMT with its 4.8" screen, and I am impressed with the browser. I understand many like multi-touch, but for me, multi-touch on a small screen is awkward, bordering on gimmicky. I respect the opinion of all you multi-touch fans; however, I prefer the virtual buttons at the bottom of the Archos's screen. You can zoom by just pressing the appropriate button, and the zoom control is not blocking the page like multi-touch gesture do. Multi-touch vs. icon zoom controls are certainly a personal preference. Where the Archos's browser slaps mobile Safari is its contant text re-wrapping with each zoom level. The result is reading those single column, and mobile sites that many prefer on small screen devices at a comfortable text size without the dreaded horizontal scrolling. The text reflows when zooming also work on multi-colmn pages as well. Mobile Safari may be an 8 or better for full desktop pages, but is about a 2 for some single column pages, and some non-iphone specific mobile sites.
I respect the reviewer's opinion, just wanted to post a differing opinion based on extensive use of many mobile browsers including mobile Safari (iPod touch), IE, NetFront, Opera, Opera Mini, Skyfire, and the new browser on the Archos 5 IMT. #android20review
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That's a questionable choice for the one and only provided sample in the review. I'd like to see a more realistic sample - like someone talking, or kids playing at a park, or a cat playing a piano, or Paris Hilton eating a sausage. #motoroladroid
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or maybe during an exclusive trailer premiere at comic con?
That's the real test of a cellphone camera's capabilities. #motoroladroid
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Who cares about a poll from this site. Only tech heads who come to internet sites like this. 90% of the low-tech world who have more important things to do prefer using sync software, iTunes or otherwise. #android20review
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